Sherman Alexie Talks to NCAC’s the Write Stuff About Being Banned

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Sherman Alexie tells the Write Stuff about how it feels to be challenged, why he’s determined to keep writing controversial books for teens, and the upcoming sequel to his oft-banned, award-winning novel, The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian (Little, Brown).

I’m sure you hear about the impact True Diary has on kids all the time. What story has left the most lasting impression on you?
The big moment for me was when I gave a reading in Spokane in 2009, and eight or nine Chicano boys drove up with their teacher from Ephrata, WA, which has a heavily migrant worker population.

These Chicano boys were so into the book—and they were all wearing ties—and they told me that they had decided to put on ties to show respect to me and the book. Their excitement was amazing, and all of them said it was the first book they’d ever finished.

What made the book so special?
It was the first book they ever read that felt real.

So many kids say it really resonates with them.
That’s probably one of the most common things I hear, “It’s the only book I’ve read.” Which, on one hand is sad, but on the other hand, it makes me think, maybe it’s the gateway book.

Where do you stand on book-banning? Is it ever justified in a school or library?
I suppose if you tried to bring in the Hustler Anthology (laughs)! In every situation, there’s always an alternate book. The problem isn’t that one parent doesn’t want their kid to read the book. The problem is they want to control what every kid reads.

I have no objection to a parent not wanting their kid to read my book. But when they try to control a school’s curriculum, that’s when the fight is on. So the second they try to make it a policy, no, I can’t think of when it’s acceptable because whatever the text, you can teach and learn from it.

In Yakima, WA, an African-American mom said the N-word in True Diary made her daughter extremely uncomfortable.
It’s always about context. When that joke gets referenced [by those who oppose the book] it’s always as if it’s condoned, as if it’s an acceptable use of the word. But actually, in the plotline of the story, the person who uses the word gets punched in the face. It’s a pretty clear indication that the word is awful. I know Yakima, so I’m pretty sure that girl hears that word in [worse] ways.

And of course, some parents object to its sexual content.
Again, the sexual content is that the book mentions masturbation three times and boner four times. There is no sex. Nobody has sex. But in a couple of challenges back East—one in Missouri and one in Georgia—they actually invented sexual scenes. One woman claimed in a newspaper interview that the book contained blow-job lessons. And then another claimed that the lead character ran around grabbing women’s breasts.

Sounds like they didn’t read the book.Image
That’s why it’s so important to stop it. These kinds of movements can get such traction so quickly that we need to make an effort to stop it at the very beginning. We need to confront it at the very beginning to prevent it from becoming some kind of movement.

How do you stop it?
You can’t change their minds, but you can have meetings and challenge the challengers—and educate them.

What’s the most upsetting thing about book challenges?
People inventing things that never happened. It makes me want to write a young adult book with blow-job lessons in it.

Too late! We already have YA books with blow jobs in them.
Yeah, and that’s the thing. When most folks read True Diary and hear it’s banned, they can’t even remotely figure out why. In comparison to other books that get banned a lot, mine is incredibly tame. I think race has something to do with it.

Did you know True Diary would get banned while you were writing it?
Yeah, I knew it would. I remember one of the blurbs on my book from Neil Gaiman was, “It’s going to win many awards and be banned everywhere.”

Did it affect your writing?
No, but we did wonder about the [N-word] joke. My editor, Jennifer Hunt, and I went back and forth about it. Jennifer is black. She grew up in the West and was often the only minority in the room. The fact is this word—these are racial insults that you grow up with—that you’re bombarded with on a daily basis.

Was Jennifer OK with it?
Oh yeah. You have to have the language. It has to have the gut-punch painful horribleness of it for it to ring true.

Why does free speech matter so much?
Free speech is vital because positive change comes from changing the very language we’re using. In order to advance as a people, we need new ways of looking at the world and new ways of talking about the world. The effort to ban books is really the insistence on using the same words in the same ways—the same ideas.

Do your 15- and 11-year-old sons get the whole book-banning thing?
Kids these days are so much smarter and world aware. So that’s the ludicrous thing about book banning. It’s ludicrous to assume that kids these days can be sheltered.

Did they read the book when it first came out?
Yeah, my kid read True Diary when he was nine. When I talk to people who challenge the book and who are uncomfortable with it, they ask, “Do you let your kid read the book?” And I say, “Yeah, they can pick up any book they want.”

I talk about it—and more than that—they live with me, so they hear me every day. And I have two incredibly, polite, kind, generous children. It’s amazing in this Internet age that a book can scare people so much. It really points out that a book in the form of a book is infinitely more powerful than a machine. I wonder if e-books are going to get banned as much.

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Would you like to say something to the librarians and teachers who fight to keep books like yours in the hands of kids?
Thank you. I have the easiest part of the job. I’m like a Rear Admiral hanging out at the officer’s club, and these teachers and librarians are on the front lines.

I hear you’re working on the sequel to True Dairy. When can we expect it?
Oh god! Don’t hold your breath! You can expect it sometime within my lifetime.

Think it’ll get banned?
Maybe we’ll put on the cover, “Now more ban-able than ever!”

Are you including more masturbation scenes, perhaps another N-word?
There’s blow job lessons, breast grabbing.

Ha! None of the above, right?
None of the above. It’s going to have the same sort of tone, the same sort of content. In other words, it’s an incredibly tame book that gets banned.

What’s it about?
It’s the story of Rowdy. It’s the same year, but from Rowdy’s point of view. The kids who really love True Diary are the ones who are like Rowdy, so this book is directed toward them.

Are there any voices telling you to tone it down?
No, and in some ways Rowdy directly responds to it.

What do you mean?
The notion of controlling kids and being worried about what they’re hearing and seeing—and worrying that sex or masturbation is such a dangerous idea when polar bears are drowning.

So in the book, Rowdy actually starts drawing—and he’s not nearly as good as Junior. He does a drawing of a polar bear addressing the reader with a motto, “If you really care, masturbate for the polar bear.”

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One Response to Sherman Alexie Talks to NCAC’s the Write Stuff About Being Banned

  1. Kalil says:

    Thank you so much for cdoing this interview! I love Sherman Alexie’s work, and his take on life. Telling the truth is such a powerful thing, and he does it so consistently, so fiercely, so uncompromisingly, and with a love for his reader, a respect for his reader, that runs so deeply. He can put his soul on the page, through the struggles of his characters, through all the parts of the book the censors are afraid of. They are afraid of the deep truth within his words. But that can never truly be censored. Thanks for doing this interview!

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